Guitar Modeling Effects vs. Traditional Pedals

This is the information I wish I would have had about new fangled guitar modeling pedals versus traditional stomp boxes (before I burned up 2 amps!).

I’m 39 years old, and I grew up in the 80’s when effects mainly consisted of a Boss Distortion and maybe a chorus or a flanger. I knew guitar players that had more money that maybe had a delay or something, but many of us just plugged straight into the amp. Most of us had Peavey or Crate amps, there was only one guy who had a Marshall – and he was the local “guitar god” if you know what I mean. When I was 25 I quit playing and sold my equipment to pursue family, career, and the American dream.

Fast forward to 2003 when, at the age of 35 – I decided it was a good time to get back into music. At first I had a cheap guitar and a practice amp. Not much different than when I was a kid I guess. Then I bought a Marshall (Valvestate) 65W combo amp and just played straight through that. It had some built in chorus and reverb effects – so it wasn’t so bad. It even had an overdrive channel.

I started a cover band and that setup was ok at first, but in a cover band there are so many songs in different genres that you need a lot of different tones and sounds to make it sound right. I was in the store looking for some new stompboxes when the owner showed me a Digitech “modeling pedal”. He explained that the little computer chip inside contained nearly all the effects one could ever need – it was like 50 stomp boxes in one. He also talked about 50 “amp models” – something I really didn’t understand. It seemed like quite the deal for $89 (basically the price of a single stomp box) – so I bought it and took it home.

At first this was a real piece of work, I plugged my guitar into the box and ran it out into the effects loop in the back of my Marshall. Most of the preset effects were awful, and just made my amp feedback and squeal no matter what I did. The way these units work, there are preset “patches” with loaded sounds you can try. My digitech unit had 64 patches, 32 – each loaded twice. You were supposed to program over a set of them with your own preferences. When I started creating my own patches, I just set some up with individual effects, like chorus, delay, reverb, trememlo, etc.

After about 6 months of playing that way I discovered some of the “amp models”. I found that if I took the one that emulated a Fender Hot Rod Deville amp and cut the volume (in the pedal) down to about half, and through the effects loop of the Marshall ran the effects blend volume at 60% I could get an absolutely awesome classic rock sound! About a month later I added an overdrive pedal and connected the digitech to that, so I had both running together through the effects loop of the Marshall.

I had a lot of intermittent problems with my Marshall for the next 6-12 months. Sometimes it would quit working and it would “come back” minutes later – and sometimes I would have to turn it off and back on before it would. After about a year it just died, and when you turned it on it either squealed or just had nearly no volume at all. I bought a Marshall (Valvestate) head and a 4×12 bottom and began to use that instead. After a few months it started giving me trouble too. I took it in and had all the pots cleaned (which helped), but then it started cutting out and clipping a lot. I took it back in and they said they fixed something, but when I took it home and plugged everything in to practice it started to smoke big time! I turned it off just before it appeared to nearly catch on fire. When I took it back the next day – they replaced all the main transistors.

I didn’t play it as much for awhile, and took my Valvestate combo back to have it revived from the dead. The amp tech told me the preamp was burned out and needed to be rebuilt – so I had that done. When I went to pick the amp up I started asking questions about whey the preamp would go out and described my setup to the tech. It was during that conversation that I realized I had blown up 2 amps – and didn’t even know it.

A traditional effects pedal or stompbox can be used in an “effects loop” or direct through the front of an amp. Straight through the front the effect is just added to the total sound. But by using the “effects loop” you add the effect to only the pre-amp, and you can choose the level of the effect before it gets to the main portion of the amp. This is great if you want to choose how mild or harsh the effect will be added into the total sound. What I didn’t know and what the “modeling pedal” (and Marshall) instructions failed to say was that – modeling pedals aren’t meant to be run through effects loops – EVER! Modeling pedals are supposed to go straight into the front of the amp – ONLY!

The problem is this, in a modeling pedal the “patch” contains both an amp model and effects. These together, going through an effects loop “drive” (or overdrives) the pre-amp before the signal even gets to the main part of the amp. The end result sound is great, but too much for the amp (slowly burning out the preamp!). In a tube amp, it would just get hot and start clipping. Once you turn it off and it cools down, you could turn it back on and do it again over and over without damaging the amp. But my (Valvestate) amps are solid-state, and while there’s a governer in the main part of the amp that protects it from burning up during clipping, the pre-amp doesn’t have one. Hence the reason I burned up my pre-amp!

So, once I learned this when I went home I plugged my digitech modeling pedal straight into the clean channel of my Marshall and started to play around. All the pre-set effects now sound great with no squealing! I even downloaded some patches from the Digitech forum and using the amp models was able to get some great Van Halen, Weezer, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Ozzy, and U2 sounds!

After doing some research online about modeling pedals, and now having gone through the good bad and the ugly with them – I can honestly say that as a guitar player they take a lot more getting used to than a traditional stomp box. With stomp boxes (other than the settings for each box) they are either “on” or “off” and that’s it. In a modeling pedal you have a “patch” that is basically a pre-set that can contain your amp model, an amp cabinet (speakers), the intensity of the amp model, the volume of the patch, any effects (chorus, delay, reverb, etc), and even some EQ – like bass, mid, or highs. You may have to setup a dozen patches for sounds you like, one for lead, one for rhythm, one for clean, etc. I found that I had 2-3 for different classic rock songs, some for harder rock, and quite a few for clean.

Guitar modeling pedals take TONS more time to setup at first, but are much more versatile in the end result. The CON is that if you love the natural distortion or tone of your amp – you won’t get to hear it using the modeling pedal. Having said that – having a good amp with quality speakers is kind of key to getting a good sound with a modeling pedal. If you have a cheap amp with cheap speakers, a modeling pedal will not make it sound good. You’ll just have a good sounding model through tinny speakers. So you still need a quality amp, it’s just not as important that you have a $3,000 Mesa Boogie or Bogner, a lower end Marshall or Fender will do just fine.

There are dozens of options for modeling pedals, and in the coming posts I will review them all – starting with the end all be all of live modeling rigs – the POD XT Live and POD X3 Live – which I now use, all coming up in the next post.

2 thoughts on “Guitar Modeling Effects vs. Traditional Pedals”

  1. This is an intersting read, as I have a few modeling pedals and at first had nothing but problems with the set-up and found that my problem was that I was running them in the front end of my amp and the modeling pre-amp was over feeding the amps pre-amp no matter how low my settings were. After doing more research, I found the opposite, if you run it into your loop return or if the amp has a slave in (like my old Peavy Soloist) then you’re slaving the power amp. Same as buying a power amp only. That’s actually the recommended way of doing it now. Buy a power amp, and seperate speakers. I’ve been using this set-up for quite a while through several amps (both tube and solid state) with quite a bit of success for some time now…The biggest reason I really didn’t use the pedals that much was simple musician ADHD, I just wanted to plug in, turn knobs, and play and it took me too long to discover the easy way of programing these things. Using a good tube popwer-amp warms them up a lot and takes away a lot of the reason for the critisism…of course the quality of the pedals and effects has gotten much better over the years.

  2. Josh: You are so right. You can run this in the effects in because that entry into the amp is after the pre-amp. You can run direct into any amp as long as you’re not using overdrive (a preamp, etc.). A tube amp definitely changes the character of any pedal, solid state or analog, doesn’t make it sound as cold.

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